Words by Himring
Fanwork Notes
The quotation I was given was this one:
"Words are, in my not-so-humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury, and remedying it."
~J.K. Rowling
My piece discusses words as language--I will leave it to you to decide whether I'm also addressing the rest of the quote.
Fanwork Information
Summary: A short extra scene in the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Finrod and Andreth discuss matters of language. Major Characters: Andreth, Finrod Felagund Major Relationships: Genre: General Challenges: Woman's Sceptre Rating: General Warnings: |
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Chapters: 1 | Word Count: 831 |
Posted on 9 May 2017 | Updated on 9 May 2017 |
This fanwork is complete. |
Chapter 1
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'Akh', Andreth exclaimed suddenly, breaking off and shaking her head. 'How could I win an argument against you? It is your language we are speaking in.'
'But it is not,' said Finrod, puzzled and somewhat disconcerted. 'We are speaking Sindarin, and Sindarin is neither of the two languages I grew up with--neither Telerin nor Noldorin Quenya. I learned Sindarin much later, just as you did.'
'Meaning you've only been speaking it for a couple of centuries!', scoffed Andreth. 'Anyway, it is still Elvish,' she said, with the air of someone who knows she has just clinched the matter.
'Do you find then that reasoning works differently if you speak in a Mannish language, like Taliska, Saelind?' asked Finrod curiously. He seemed to have regained his composure and it was Andreth's turn to feel discombobulated.
'No, not exactly that. Well, actually, in a way, yes. Haven't you noticed? Things spoken don't mean quite the same, in Sindarin and Taliska.'
He was waiting for her to go on, to explain, and she thought that perhaps he hadn't noticed, really, not quite in the way she did.
'I have noticed that sometimes Sindarin has two words, where Taliska has one,' he offered, when she did not immediately continue. 'And also that sometimes it is the other way around.'
'True,' said Andreth, 'but it is not only that.'
Finrod had learned Taliska, of course, thought Andreth--much more quickly than her kin had learned Sindarin, at the beginning. He had learned Taliska to be able to talk to them, to teach them. Tradition in her family still emphasized how astonishingly easy he had found it to communicate with Beor and his tribe, despite the fact that they shared no language, picking the thoughts from their brains and putting words to them, picking up new words and freighting them with thought.
But now they almost always conversed in Sindarin with each other, the House of Beor and the House of Finarfin, although she and her people had had to learn Elvish the hard way. And her people had begun even speaking Sindarin among themselves; at any rate, subjects high and weighty were often discussed in it and some even used Elvish for everyday matters.
She wondered whether perhaps Finrod had learned Taliska too easily--on the rare occasions when he still spoke it, he did seem to speak it as fluently as any other of the languages he knew. Perhaps you had to learn a language the hard way, to keep making errors, learn rules as you broke them, to understand what she was getting at?
'Can you teach me, then, to make me understand?' he asked, surprising her.
Always when she was ready to accuse him of arrogance, she thought, he would turn around and say something amazingly humble, apparently entirely free of self-regard. His interest was never fake. And yet...
Oddly, she found herself not wanting to explain. Was this because she was not sure of herself, because she was afraid he would pick her faulty logic apart, as he had done before, during this long conversation of theirs? But to herself it still seemed clear what she had meant--that discussing the fate of Elves and Men in Sindarin and in Taliska was not just a matter of marking where the borders of one word began and the other ended, in each language, but might take a different path, as if speech guided thought, and lead to a different outcome. But no, that was not exactly what she had meant either, the difference was not as crude as that!
'Taliska is changing--or ours is,' she said, dodging his question. 'My aunt Adanel has told me that the Taliska of Ladros has become very Elvish--it has borrowed much from Sindarin, a lot more than the language spoken by her brother's people in the vales of the Ered Wethrin.'
'That is, I suspect, true,' said Finrod, after giving the matter some thought. 'Have your meanings therefore become more Elvish, too, do you think?'
Their talk drifted back to other matters, equally impossible of resolution. She found she could not entirely forgive him, for his counsel to his brother and to herself, nor entirely hold onto her grudge. They had talked so long in circles that almost anything seemed possible, even that they should meet again after the end of the world, as he claimed to hope. No, assuredly, he did hope just that, for he was devastatingly sincere, was he not?
He left and silence settled back in about her. She picked up the slop bucket from the kitchen and emptied it out in the yard. As she straightened, she found herself looking north.
She straightened and, still holding the bucket close, almost involuntarily, she spoke: a word, in Elvish, a name.
Despite everything, it fell into the silence still full of meaning as before. She listened to the sound of it, Aegnor, and knew that to her it still meant: my love. And it was not Taliska.
Chapter End Notes
I picked up that apparently the entry on the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth at Tolkien Gateway has been revised recently. It is certainly fuller now than I seem to remember!
What Finrod and Andreth are discussing in my piece, among other things, is the Sapir/Whorf hypothesis.
Some inspiration for this goes back to discussion during the Silm re-read on the SWG community at LiveJournal and to reading interesting comments on anthropology in Arda on Tumblr and by LadyBrooke. But I don't think I'm quoting anyone in particular.
I hope it is of interest!
(1) Comment by NelyafinweFeanorion for Words [Ch 1]
I've always loved the Athrabeth! I really liked this study of the languages and nuances of linguistics that your fic focused on and how each of them views these issues. Finrod just becomes more fascinating with each interpretation.
i am always feel sad when I think of Andreth. Even if it was only for a brief time she could have had some joy in her life with Aegnor. It strikes me as monstrously unfair that Aragorn, Tuor and Beren got to marry their true loves but Andreth did not.
Re: (1) Comment by NelyafinweFeanorion for Words [Ch 1]
There is a bit of a linguistic angle to the Athrabeth itself, in particular to Finrod's explanation of amdir and estel. But it seemed to me that even more could be said about that side of it, perhaps. I'm glad you enjoyed this attempt to do so!
Yes, it's sad about those two. Maybe Aegnor would have willingly chosen mortality to be with Andreth, if that option had been on the table.
(2) Comment by hennethgalad for Words [Ch 1]
of all the complex shapes in the universe, the shapes of thought are easily the most elaborate, and elusive.
this is a good discussion about one of the trickiest topics in philosophy; the indeterminacy of translation is still generating tons of tomes. but i like the way you ended with a slop bucket, philosophers say 'remember the table'.
language is impossible, obviously, but you know what i mean...
i like your 'devastatingly sincere' Finrod. reminds me of Professor Kirke from Narnia, as though you have channeled 🙈 C.S.Lewis. of course, i havent read the Athrabeth.
Re: (2) Comment by hennethgalad for Words [Ch 1]
Thank you very much!
I'm glad that this makes sense to a reader who hasn't read the Athrabeth! (The summary I linked is a good one, if you haven't got access to the text, but of course it isn't in the Professor's voice.)
I feel I've only touched on the topic, almost, really.
Good to hear that you liked the slop bucket!
(4) Comment by Lyra for Words [Ch 1]
Tantalising! I wish they could have discussed this at greater length, although I definitely understand Andreth's discomfort at trying to explain this to Finrod (not just because she might pick it to pieces, but simply because it is hard to put into words what she means, especially without the linguistic terms to start with!). And the ending was heartbreaking. Andreeeth. ;_;
Re: (4) Comment by Lyra for Words [Ch 1]
Thank you!
I suppose Andreth's discomfort partly reflects my own--I find that issue very hard to pin down even with linguistic terms!
And that is even without adding the elvishness of Elvish into the mix.
It's good to hear that the ending worked as well, even if I couldn't help the sad note.
(5) Comment by NelyafinweFeanorion for Words [Ch 1]
I must add that your notes made me check out the topic at Tolkien Gateway and I agree-it is FAR more detailed and complete than I remembered it.
Re: (5) Comment by NelyafinweFeanorion for Words [Ch 1]
Thank you for checking!
I'm really glad that someone undertook it. I wish I could remember their name--I saw it in that Tumblr post I mentioned, but couldn't remember exactly what I'd read, afterwards.
(7) Comment by lindahoyland for Words [Ch 1]
I found this fascinating. Languages and nuances of meaning have always interested me.
Re: (7) Comment by lindahoyland for Words [Ch 1]
Thank you very much, Linda! Good to hear that this was interesting to you!