The Elendilmir by pandemonium_213

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Fanwork Notes

First, I am indebted to the skinks, geckos, frilled lizards, chameleons and other squamates of the Lizard Council for their invaluable critique and their long-standing indulgence of the Pandë!verse. Many thanks to Rhapsody, oshun and Moreth for vetting this at various times and for their continued encouragement, good humor and affection. Also thanks to oshun (Maitimo & Findekáno and A New Day), Gandalf’s Apprentice (Sword of Elendil), Jael (Nightfall), and Surgical Steel (see Surgical Steel's Fan Fiction as well as her stories here on the SWG) for allowing me to borrow from their canon.

As usual, I must designate this as AU -- or more accurately an alternative history -- because of my defiance of canon (while remaining strongly informed by it) and because my vision of Middle-earth is more congruent with our primary world. Tolkien wrote wonderful essays on the origins of the sun and the moon (1) in which he attempted to retrofit his cosmogony away from the scientifically untenable “flat earth” concept and thus emphasized his notion that his legendarium represents an imaginary history of our primary world. I draw inspiration from these writings as well as others in The History of Middle-earth, The Letters of JRR Tolkien and Parma Eldalamberon.

As a life scientist, I also imbue the "magical" beings of Middle-earth - Elves, Dwarves and incarnated Maiar alike - with humanity; this does not mean that they lack mysterious characteristics and thus convey a sense of the Other to mortals of our race.

Although I have selected some canon characters from the SWG drop down menu, be aware that most (Valandil being the exception) have minor roles with respect to Sámaril, the OMC. The mortal protagonists of The Elendilmir were not fleshed out by Tolkien even though they appear in his writing, e.g., Aragorn’s great^nth-grandfather - Valandil. Others -- the queens of Arnor and Gondor -- were not even given names by JRRT! Another OC made an appearance in Risk Assessment and pops up here and there in Sámaril's recollections of his life in Ost-in-Edhil.

Update: Given the number of OCs (both Elven and mortal) in The Elendilmir, I have added their names and brief descriptions at the end of each chapter. Many thanks to Claudio for his input on Elven naming traditions. The link to the name generator is provided below. I have also used the Parma Eldalamberon vol. 17 as a source for root words and have coupled these with Claudio's name generator (a highly recommended resource).

Language resources:

Ardalambion

Hisweloke Sindarin dictionary

Quenya & Sindarin name generator

Parma Eldalamberon vol. 17

Be aware that I write as a “translator” and often use a modern voice (but devoid of banal slang – I’ll save that for other fics). If you’re looking for flowery archaic language or Tolkien mimicry, you will not be satisfied with my writing. 

This is a work-in-progress so I am a tad nervous about posting it. I am a rampant revisionist. However, I have the story arc sketched out so hopefully I will not tear this into digital shreds in the future.

(1)Tolkien, J.R.R. "Myths Transformed" In The History of Middle-earth, vol XI, edited by C.R. Tolkien, 369-390. London: HarperCollinsPublishers, 2002.

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What has transpired previously (synopsis of The Apprentice):

Sámaril, born in Ost-in-Edhil around the year 1440 of the Second Age, trained as apprentice and then journeyman under the guidance of Istyar Aulendil, the brilliant but mysterious master craftsman of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain. Sámaril –- an ambitious young man -- admired his teacher greatly and was ever eager to impress him. Aulendil in turn nurtured Sámaril’s talents in the deep arts. Although sparse with his praise, Aulendil took pride in his pupil’s acumen and even harbored avuncular affection for him.

Under his mentor’s tutelage, Sámaril crafted many artefacts and made a name for himself in Ost-in-Edhil. Aulendil also instructed Sámaril in the psychology of Men via uncanny methods. As Sámaril progressed in his studies, Aulendil gave him a coveted but secretive assignment: the crafting of rings, culminating in Sámaril’s creation – with Aulendil’s assistance – of nine Rings of Power. 

Aulendil betrayed the smiths of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain and the people of Ost-in-Edhil terribly: his true identity as Sauron was revealed when he forged the One Ring and declared himself. This deeply personal betrayal by the man whom he had admired and trusted, together with the death of his family, damaged Sámaril profoundly. Nonetheless, he managed to keep himself from falling into a pit of irrevocable despair and found purpose as the master smith of Imladris.

Melian's Girdle

Fanwork Information

Summary:

A young child of Men befriends Sámaril, the troubled master smith of Imladris. The Noldorin craftsman experiences the joy and pain born of friendships between the Eldar and mortal Men and comes to question his people’s values as his life becomes entwined with Isildur’s youngest son and two powerful women of the Dúnedain. A sequel to The Apprentice.

Chapter 38 - The Crow's Nest:  While Elerina establishes her informal seat of power in Gaillond, thus revealing to Sámaril her former role as Isildur's queen,  the elven-smith quickly becomes bored with trade negotiations and resolution of disputes among the local nobility.  The reminders of Isildur continue to exert a negative effect on Sámaril, causing frustration between the couple.  But Sámaril also begins to dream of the Sea, which sparks a desire to take ship out on to the open waters, ostensibly to learn more about the working men of the Númenórean exiles.   He finds the ship on which he wishes to sail and meets its captain.  

Major Characters: Elendil, Elrond, Glorfindel, Original Character(s), Sauron, Valandil

Major Relationships:

Artwork Type: No artwork type listed

Genre: Alternate Universe, Drama

Challenges: Strong Women

Rating: Adult

Warnings: Mature Themes, Sexual Content (Moderate)

Chapters: 39 Word Count: 182, 002
Posted on 12 January 2008 Updated on 8 October 2024

This fanwork is a work in progress.

Table of Contents

The Elendilmir begins in the year 3434 of the Second Age. While hiking in Imladris, Sámaril reflects on meeting with Elendil, Isildur and Isildur's sons and his uncanny experience when handling Narsil.

Sámaril returns to the House of Elrond with his find, lets his elvish serenity slip and berates a worried parent. This causes him to recall another bad-tempered moment in his past and a subsequent conversation with Glorfindel (Laurefin).

Sámaril takes some relaxation in the Hall of Fire and requests a song originally written by Fingon and elaborated upon by Maglor. The song sends him into recollection of a dance in Eregion.

Heads up here for mildly adult concepts and heresy pertaining to the ever popular "Laws and Customs of the Eldar."

Sámaril returns Valandil's refurbished toys to the kitchen of the House of Elrond and encounters Valandil's grandmother.

Character list provided in end notes. Many thanks to oshun, Rhapsody and Moreth for their betafying!

Sámaril is introduced to the Queen's peregrines and sets his hands and mind to something other than alloys and equations.

Thanks to Moreth, Rhapsody and oshun for their comments! Likewise, many thanks to Gandalf's Apprentice for letting me borrow her birds (see link to The Sword of Elendil in the Story Notes).

Sámaril and Thorno encounter flirtatious Laegrim ladies in the bathhouse, and Sámaril recalls the Athrabeth Huxley ah Wilberforce Mélamírë ah Manendur.

To be on the safe side, I'm rating this Adult for mild sexuality. I probably should slap a big H on it for Heresy, too. Many thanks to Rhapsody, Moreth and oshun for their lively feedback.

Sámaril celebrates the winter solstice with Queen Isilmë, and things get a bit heated with Midhloth.

Many thanks to Moreth, oshun and Rhapsody for betafication and to Jael for her compliments.

Sámaril and Elerína reach an understanding on a cold winter's afternoon.

Thanks to Rhapsody and the skinks* at The Lizard Council for betafication. List of characters provided in end notes.

*Moreth, oshun, and Jael :^)

Sámaril must deal with a terrible accident on the moor, and news arrives from Amon Sûl.

Warning to the squeamish for a gruesome scene.

Many thanks to the various reptiles of The Lizard Council for their excellent feedback. Samaril is honored that Thranduil, Galion, Magorion and their men granted their approval for a nod to their bravery at the Morannon (please see Jael's fabulous Nightfall). Thanks to Rhapsody for feedback pertaining to the hounds of Middle-earth. Our discussion was a lot of fun, and greatly inspired by her muse, Celegorm.

Much to his discomfort, Sámaril is reminded that he shares some traits with his former mentor, and Isilmë recounts the sacrifices to Melkor and their impact on her. Isilmë also points out that Sámaril does not disguise his feelings as well as he thinks he does.

As always, thanks to the skinks, geckos and other reptiles at the Lizard Council for feedback.

Sámaril receives a summons to Amon Sûl. The palantíri are not functioning, and it is hoped that he can repair them. But before he begins his journey, he delves into his memory to recall the technology applied to the crafting of the Mirror of Galadriel -- a technology that may also be featured in the palantíri.

Thanks to the skinks and such at The Lizard Council, in particular to Claudio for feedback on Quenya constructions.

Sámaril escorts Elerína to a woodland glade where they listen to Lindir's music. He remembers his visions of the very distant past and of the future when he participated in the first studies of Galadriel's Mirror. While immersing himself in Lindir's music, Sámaril then enters a meditative state in which he sees the Threads of Vairë. These trigger two visions: one wondrous and the other dark and frightening.

Thanks to the Lizard Council for the picking of juicy nits!

Sámaril and Thornangor, along with Lónando, the Dúnadan knight, and his squire, travel along the Great East Road to the tower of Amon Sûl. Although the master of the palantír has misgivings concerning Sámaril's involvement, with Queen Isilmë's endorsement, Sámaril applies the deep arts in an attempt to repair the palantíri...and receives guidance from their maker.

Thanks to Skinks Extraordinaire -- Gandalf's Apprentice, Jael, Moreth and oshun -- of The Lizard Council for critical feedback and comments.

Thornangor takes Sámaril hiking in the Weather Hills to help ease his friend's discomfort after the vision in the palantír; while exploring the slopes of Amon Sûl, Sámaril encounters the inexplicable when he steps into a small dell. When returning to Imladris, the two smiths are attacked by a hill-troll.

The smiths arrive in Imladris on Midsummer Eve. While Thornangor celebrates, Sámaril, tired from his journey, spends the evening in quiet conversation with Elerína. She tells him of her frightening but puzzling encounter with Sauron in Armenelos.

Heads up for a bit of mythological cross-over with The Ramayana.

Sámaril assists Valandil in a matter of craftsmanship and comes to a logical conclusion concerning the peacock brooch. Couriers arrive from Osgiliath, bearing news from the Alliance, and Sámaril learns of the hardships of the siege from Glorfindel's letters.

Thanks to Drummerwench for picking the nits and to Jael for allowing me to borrow Thranduil again.

Valandil rescues an injured peregrine chick and demonstrates an unexpected talent. An eagle arrives in Imladris with tidings from the siege: victory comes at a heavy price. Later, the herald of Gil-galad returns to his home.

Thanks to the Lizard Council (Claudio, Jael, Moreth & oshun) for critical feedback.

A character list is given in the End Notes; see also the appendix.

Elrond recalls the fall of Gil-galad, Elendil and Sauron as well as how the literal fall of Barad-dûr will be accomplished. Sámaril learns the fate of the One Ring and counsels Elrond on the nature of the Rings of Power: that even the Three Rings of the Elves are not altogether benign.

Thanks to The Lizard Council, notably Oshun, Jael and Moreth, for critical feedback.

Shortly after arriving in Annúminas, Sámaril explores the city of the shores of Lake Evendim. He sees that although the lives of the Middle Men of Arnor may be improved by the presence of the Númenórean exiles, they still face the consequences of mortality, just as they did many years ago in the settlements around Tharbad. It is with these consequences of mortality that Sámaril struggles as he prepares for his farewell to Isilmë.

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First, thanks to The Lizard Council (Drummerwench, Oshun, Jael and Moreth in particular) for comments and feedback.

I use common Anglo-Saxon (or Celtic in some cases) names for the Middle Men with the assumption that these are translations from Westron. With regard to languages, I adhere to the Seamus Heaney approach to translation and do not hesitate to use certain words (and names) familiar to the contemporary mind, e.g., "tenement," as translations from the "original text" in my tertiary world of JRRT's secondary world.

A glossary and a short list of characters may be found in the end notes of this chapter; the longer list of characters is given in the Appendix.

Sámaril bids farewell to Isilmë and later meets the keeper of the palantír of Annúminas, a man who once worked under Annatar's guidance in Númenor.

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Many thanks to Drummerwench, oshun, Jael and Moreth (The Lizard Council) for critique and comments.

A few characters are listed in end notes (see also Appendix). Also in the end notes is an excerpt from The Lost Road, Vol V. of The History of Middle-earth which provides context for the conversation between Sámaril and the old engineer smith.

The first year of the Third Age finds Sámaril saying farewell to Midhloth and welcoming the returning Firstborn to Imladris. Erestor brings back more materials for Sámaril's planned -- and secret -- project. Later, Glorfindel shows Sámaril what he discovered in Sauron's inner chambers of the Barad-dûr.

Thanks to The Lizard Council, specifically Drummerwench, Jael, Claudio, Moreth and oshun, for critique and comments.

When Sámaril prepares to craft a Yule gift for Valandil, the details of an essential component's design elude him. In order to clearly visualize the design, he must delve into bittersweet memory of his former mentor, Istyar Aulendil.

Thanks to the Lizard Council, specifically Aearwen, Drummerwench, IgnobleBard, Jael, Moreth and Oshun for invaluable critique and comments. Also a tip of the hat to Lintalomë who, in comments on Lethe's LiveJournal, jolted the dark muse's memory of Tinfang Warble (History of Middle-earth I, Book of Lost Tales 1).

Sámaril celebrates the feast of the winter solstice with a memorable dance and receives his gift from Valandil.

Thanks to the variegated skinks of The Lizard Council for nitpicking, comments and all 'round good skinkiness.

Tension mounts in Imladris when Isildur and his elite Guard do not arrive in the autumn of the second year of the Third Age. Valandil has his worst nightmare yet at this time, causing Elrond and Sámaril to wonder if this is an echo of the drowning of Númenor. This leads them to discuss Valandil's sensitivities. Elerína's anxiety for her husband increases. The following spring, three soldiers of the King's Guard stagger into the valley.

Many thanks to picking of the nits by The Lizard Council. (Jael, Aearwen, Drummerwench, elfscribe, Moreth).

The reader's familiarity with "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields," Unfinished Tales, J.R.R. Tolkien is assumed.

When Sámaril is summoned to the Council of Elrond, he discovers why the succession of Valandil to the throne of High King of Gondor and Arnor is in question. After agreements are reached, Valandil utters a prophecy concerning broken Narsil, and Sámaril later overhears a heated conversation between Elerína and her sister-by-marriage, Lindissë -- Anárion's widow and Meneldil's mother.

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Many thanks to Jael, Aearwen, Moreth, and Drummerwench of The Lizard Council for comments and nitpicking of the draft.

If it wasn’t clear from any of the preceding 24 chapters that The Elendilmir represents an alternate history of Middle-earth, it should be apparent in this one. A significant fly in the heirs of Elros’ ointment was spawned via the often heretical elements that comprise the overlap of Venn diagrams of Surgical Steel’s interpretations of Middle-earth and my own. Thus I owe Steel a debt of gratitude for graciously allowing me to borrow her characters and concepts. I have linked the Steel's stories that are specific to this chapter in End Notes. You may also find her work here on the SWG, at her LJ repository -- surgsteelfic and on The Last Ship archive. I highly recommended her work. The saga of the surgeon, Serindë, is a compelling one and represents one of the best OFCs crafted.

A genealogical chart of Númenóreans pertinent to the Pandë!- and Steel!verses is included in End Notes.

With The Elendilmir rated as Adult, this may be superfluous, but here's a warning for strong language nonetheless.

After a terse farewell to Elerína, Sámaril departs abruptly from Imladris in the company of a healer, Brethilion. They arrive at Casarrondo (later known as Moria) to exchange their skills for mithril and gems from the Dwarves. On the way to an audience with Durin the Fourth, Sámaril sees a mural hidden in the shadows and recalls an unusual observation made by Istyar Aulendil.

Thanks to the Lizard Council for pre-reads, to Darth Fingon for post-publication edits and to Surgical Steel for suggestions concerning the elven-healer. See end notes.

In order to obtain a diamond and mithril from the Longbeards, Sámaril agrees to teach the Dwarves an unusual art that will allow them to extend their gold stores for trade, and Láki introduces Sámaril to a form of Dwarven relaxation.

Thanks to the Lizard Council for encouragement and feedback. Please see End Notes for glossary, background on Sámaril's art and more acknowledgments.

Sámaril prepares to journey with Láki to the northern mines to search for mithril but encounters Brethilion, distressed because he has been called upon to treat an important Dwarf-woman and her child. Sámaril and Láki descend into the roots of the mountain where an increasing sense of dread and disturbing dreams of shadow and flame afflict Sámaril.

Heads up for some medical stuff in the first part of this chapter (and thanks to Surgical Steel for helping out Brethilion's craft as well as a pre-read). Although he does not describe it in graphic detail, Brethilion mentions a grisly obstetrical procedure that was used in non-progressing labor before the advent of forceps for delivery; this might be disturbing for some readers. Other than that, this chapter is rated PG to PG-13. Many thanks for the Lizard Council for comments and nitpicking.

For saving Durin IV's heir and his mother (Durin's granddaughter), Brethilion is awarded with unusual gifts. With their departure from Khazad-dûm imminent, Sámaril and Brethilion are the guests of honor at a celebration in Láki's mansion where Sámaril is faced with peculiar Dwarven cuisine, finds himself the object of attraction by a Dwarven-lady and then plays matchmaker.

Many thanks and bows of "at your service" to the Lizard Council -- Jael, sanna, Aeärwen, Surgical Steel, Raksha, klose, Drummerwench, Russandol and Darth Fingon. Special thanks to Darth for linguistic assistance. See end notes for that.

Some mild sexuality in this chapter: soft R-rated at the most.

Sámaril returns to Imladris where he is met with a cool reception from Elerína and admonishment from Elrond who has deduced that Sámaril, however well-intentioned, has exposed young Valandil to the perilous deep arts. Sámaril’s evident distress resulting from these events prompts Laurefin to suggest star-gazing out on the moor where they have a frank conversation.

Thanks to all my reptilian pals on the Lizard Council: Steel for a pre-read, Raksha and Drummerwench for suggestions of where to prune a bit, Russandol for catching nits, sanna, Jael, Oshun, and Aeärwen for comments, and Darth for under-the-radar philosophical natterings about the mores of the Calaquendi and the Moriquendi. There's also a little nod to one of Rhapsody's ficlets -- Prince of Hearts -- in there, too.

Sámaril finds Elerína waiting for him at the rock where he heard Valandil cry out from the river twelve years before. There, guided by his heart, he makes a decision that will forever affect him.

This chapter is a solid R-rating for sexual content, more than "moderate" but not graphic either; just obvious as to what is occurring.

Thanks to Lizards Surgical Steel, Erulissë, Jael, Aeärwen, Drummerwench and Russandol for comments, nit-picking and otherwise holding my hand.

When Elerína and Sámaril tell Valandil of their love for one another, Valandil does not receive the revelation well.  However, when Sámaril enlists Valandil's assistance in crafting a gift symbolic of the elven smith's love for Elerína, Valandil appears to be brought round to accepting his mother and Sámaril's life together.

Thanks to Lizards Russandol, Surgical Steel, Scarlet10, Sanna, Aeärwen, KyMahalei, Moreth, Oshun, Lilith, Elfscribe, Raksha, Drummerwench & Darth Fingon for comments, lively discussion and valuable critique.

Stymied for inspiration and spurned by the diamond to be set in the new Elendilmir, Sámaril agrees to accompany Elerína to the sea so that he may learn more of the Númenórean exiles..  On the way, they visit Elerína's eccentric cousin, Apairivo, a lord of the province of Cardolan, who has a fondness for wine, whisky and a special kind of rope.

Thanks to the skinks, geckos and chameleons of the Lizard Council for their most excellent feedback and encouragement.  Special thanks to Darth for name-wrangling.

Sámaril accompanies Apairivo on his inspections of his tenants' crofts.  He discovers that Apairivo has a peculiar avocation, one that reminds Sámaril of Valandil's gifts. They enjoy the hospitality of the farmer and his wife, but when Sámaril lets down his guard, thanks to drinking a couple of generous flagons of hard cider, Apairivo asks a very direct question about an indelicate subject.

 

 

Acknowledgements:

Thanks to my fellow Lizards -- Oshun, Raksha, KyMahalei, Erulissë, and Surgical Steel (an extra nod here for Steel's generosity for sharing her toys with me in the Tolkienian sandbox) for comments and feedback, and especially to Jael for assistance on matters equine.

After Sámaril and Apairivo arrive at Farmer Butterbur's croft, Sámaril is called upon to assist Apairivo with delivery of a calf and discovers one of the ways that Apairivo uses his gift of rope from Gil-Galad.  Once again, Sámaril enjoys the hospitality of mortal Middle Men and drinks and dances with Butterbur's household. However, on the way back to the manor, Sámaril unintentionally reveals something of his past that causes Apairivo concern.  This is further exacerbated when Apairivo mentions an observation made by Carnhul, his horse, and later confirmed by the sleepy Elerína.

 

 

Acknowledgements:

Many thanks to Lizards Elfscribe, KyMahalei, Erulissë, Randy_O, Drummerwench, Aeärwen, Jael, Russandol, sanna, Gandalf's Apprentice, and Surgical Steel for comments and critical feedback on this and the previous chapter.

On their way to the sea, Sámaril and Elerína travel down the Baranduin on The Otter's Tale, a traders' keelboat, manned by a motley crew of Middle Men, including the superstitious but well-meaning Captain Rinan.  Elerína makes an offering to the River-mother, but will it deflect the threat of the Elder King's fierce storm that bears down upon them?

 

Acknowledgements:

Thanks to Surgical Steel for the nattering that led to the term "the Wind-lord's finger" and to Lizards Darth Fingon, Aeärwen, KyMahalei, Oshun, Elfscribe, Erulissë, and Russandol for picking nits and comments.  Deep-fried cockroaches with tartar sauce for all!  And an extra serving for post-publication nit-picking from Drummerwench!

Please see end notes for more acknowledgments.

Captain Rinan and the crew of The Otter's Tale deliver Elerína, Sámaril and Sigilros to the haven of Gaillond, a seaside town near the mouth of the Baranduin.  There the port reeve and others welcome Elerína, the widow of a king and the mother of the king-to-be.  Limaerel, the housekeeper, shows Sámaril and Sigilros the villa built by Tar-Aldarion, but personalized by Isildur.  Sámaril finds that the many reminders of Isildur have an undesirable effect.

Rated R for sexual content.

 

 

Acknowledgements and such: Thanks to Darth for much under-the-radar nattering and generously allowing me to reference his canon (the black lobsters). Same to Surgical Steel. I give a quick nod to her Zâmin, the noblewoman of Umbar, who was Isildur's first love.

Gaillond is, of course, non-canonical (*faints from the shock*) but to me, a logical extrapolation: one would think that a port town might exist near the mouth of the Baranduin, which may have served as the waterway to Annúminas.  Gaillond bears reference to the Gloucester of New England and Wales. From Wikipedia: "In Old Welsh, the city was known as Caerloyw, caer = castle, and loyw from gloyw = glowing/bright." 

I also invoke the right of "translator" for the blatant use of Latin. Surely there were words in Quenya for the equivalent of a frigidarium and caldarium. I just don't know what they are, and Sámaril and his former mentor are of no help at all..

Uin the Great Whale may be found in The History of Middle-earth, Vol I, The Book of Lost Tales I.

Many thanks to the Lizards for the pickin' o' the nits.

Because it has been a while since I updated (almost a year), I'll recap briefly: 

Sámaril (Ringmaker and Annatar's former apprentice, now master of the forge of Rivendell) and Elerína (Isildur's widow and now Sámaril's lover) and have arrived in Gaillond, intending to spend the summer there. The jewel that Sámaril has obtained from the Dwarves, and will use for the new Elendilmir, resists his attempts to apply the deep arts to it. Elerína believes this is because Sámaril needs to learn more of the Sea and the descendants of the Númenóreans who live and die by it. Hence, they arrive Gaillond, a port town northwest of the mouth of the Baranduin River. This chapter picks up about three weeks or so after their arrival.

Thanks muchly to the Lizard Council for their grooming and suggestions for the motifs on the ships' colors.  Darth Fingon's name generator came in handy, too.

 

 

Although I have noted characters in the End Notes of chapters, a more or less comprehensive list is provided here.


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I enjoyed reading about a happy Samaril.  He has always been grim and she appears to be a very welcome breath of fresh air to his long, immortal life. I also enjoyed his candid conversation with Elrond and the one with Valandil.  It's also good that Sam gets to experience fatherhood with Valandil as his foster son. Knowing that she will die just makes the "marriage" so special and I hope Sam will cope well with that.

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Any past reference to Sam's stint with his Istyar always makes for a good read!  I enjoyed how Pairo managed to subject at least one of the enigmatic elves to answer his really tough questions.  Cardolan is definitely a place worth watching.  ;-) Thanks for posting 2 chapters at once--it was a nice "welcome back" pressie for me.  Runs off to make Sam chibis. 

Recently, I was thinking about how, over the years, I have learned to modulate my behavior to a degree -- being more careful of what I say, keeping my temper in check, etc.  So I wonder if that is magnified in the Elves.  That "enigmatic" air of the Elves may be due largely to their long years of practice of watching what they say.

I loved visiting Cardolan.  Wish I could stay longer. :^)

I'm so glad you're back from your hiatus.  Thanks again for the compliments and for any past, present and future Chibis!

Thanks so much for reading and the compliments, Ithilwen. I don't know what exactly popped into my head to give rise to the Herriot influence, but it flowed out pretty easily and was certainly fun to write.   If The Silmarillion is something of a tabula rasa, then Bombadil is indisputably so.  There are lots of debates as to what Bombadil is, so that ambiguity gives me room for interpretation.  For all Apairivo's bonhomie, he has a manipulative streak.

 

Wow, did this chapter take an unexpected turn at the end!  Apairivo was cleverer - and more ruthless - than I thought.  Of course, Samaril's earlier evasiveness is what brought all this about.  It's too bad he continues to assume that Aulendil's influence on his life was a wholely negative one; THAT is the real taint Sauron left in his wake, the unnecessary guilt Samaril's burdened himself with.

Yes, Sám's evasiveness would have triggered suspicion, which I think Apairivo already had.  With a first person POV, we cannot see Apairivo's thoughts or know much of his background, but based on what we see from Sámaril, there are hints that the lord of Cardolan has studied his history.  I tend to think that the existence of the Rings of Power were not widely known (and the Elves probably wanted to keep it that way), but that Sauron had associated with the Elves of Eregion was probably known, or at least it is in my 'verse.  

I'm not sure if Sám will ever resolve his guilt, but stay tuned.  He'll deal with it in what I hope is an interesting way.

Thanks again for reading and the comments, Ithilwen!

 

Oh I really like  Apairavo, a ME vet who manages to get the information he needs from Samaril, driving his points home in a diplomatic and yet direct manner. I just love that he's a real horsewhisperer, talking to horses :D I will admit that given the previous chapter, I had naughtier thoughts regarding the rope. Oh well, a dirty mind is such a terrible thing to waste ;) Such delightful mentions of Steel's characters here, just great! I love it when two verses blend so brilliantly. Now I quickly move onto the next chapter, I have waited long to sit down to read these chapters as a treat!

 

Poor poor Samaril, he passed the test but what a bitter after taste. I've wondered about how the connection with his former master could be noted, but the smell of ozone (however I find the smell after a thunderstorm very fresh given the rain mixed with ozone). I am curious where this will lead.

Hi, Rhapsy!  Thanks so much for the comments on this chapter and the previous one.  That scent of ozone is something of a clue, so yes, I can understand your curiosity. :^)

I enjoyed writing these chapters (especially the character of Apairivo), and I'm glad they worked for you.  

Okay, this story looked more than a bit daunting, with 37 chapters to boot and still counting... but I´m hooked! This is such an underrated, barely addressed time and place. Plus, it contains your OMC from "The Apprentice" (that´s why I read that one first!), which has really grown on me, and the Dúnedain straight from Númenor! Valandil is a little darling, and the women seem quite formidable. I also love the rapport between them and this particular Elf, who doesn´t feel, or act, as superior as the others do. Maybe because his behaviour is a bit "mortal" too, what with being always in a rush and as impatient as a mad genius, LOL!

I am eager to see how this unlikely friendship is going to develop, especially later, in the face of adversity (why must we know the outcome of the Last Alliance from canon? *sniff*)

Random stuff:

* OMG! Your Númenóreans found America?!

** Elves as myths for the Faithful? That agrees a lot with my own view.

*** It was really great to see that you have also been struggling with Elendil´s height. (Yep. I write ahead a lot). I wonder what made Tolkien think that the taller you are the cooler you must look; from some point on I think it must be the opposite. You chose to blame legend, in my case he really is that tall or thereabouts... but I suspect Tolkien wouldn´t like the results!

Oh, thanks a million for taking a chance on this, Gadira!  It's wonderful to have another Second Ager reading my stuff.  I have to say I always smile when you reference your "never-ending Númenor story" because, well, the story arcs of the Pandë! verse (as evidenced by this 37 chapter WIP, which is about 2/3 through the plot of the novel) stretch well beyond the horizon.  You're also doing something that I must also do at some point soon:  read from the beginning to the current chapter.  In my case, I will edit for continuity, scuttling nits, style, etc.  I certainly must do this when I finish Sámaril's story.

Something I love to do throughout my work is to engage in the thought exercise of what it would be like to be a human with an indefinite life span.  One thing that struck me about the Elves of The Silmarillon was that they showed far more human foibles than the lofty, more remote Elves we get glimpses of in The Lord of the Rings, although even then, not all are lofty (some are "merry as children" as Sam Gamgee observes).  Sám's distinctly a Silmarillion Elf. :^)

Random stuff:

*  Heh.  Yes, or rather, something like America.  If your Númenóreans are strongly influenced by Phoenicians, mine have a weird mix of Graeco-Roman (derived from the Noldor in part) coupled with the great explorations of the Spaniards, Portuguese and the Dutch in the 15th through 17th centuries.  Hence, New World plants in the Old World.  In my 'verse, the Elves of Eregion grow maize, brought to them by the Númenóreans, and enjoy "polentë" on their plates. :^D  One of my short stories ("The Man Who Grew Tomatoes" featuring Amandil) addresses how the Númenóreans brought crops from one foreign land to another.

** Oh, yeah!  The Faithful hold the Elves in far more esteem than they should.

*** Eight feet tall.  Yikes.   There are certain things in Tolkien's legendarium I summarily discard among them what amounts to gigantism and also certain aspects of Laws and Customs of the Elder.  The latter, rather than being strict biologically oriented features of the Elves, are more like edicts handed down from the Vatican, er, I mean, the Valar to keep the Elves in line. 

" in my case he really is that tall or thereabouts... but I suspect Tolkien wouldn´t like the results!"

*rubs hands together with glee and cackles*  I can't wait! :^D

 

This is getting better and better! The "Athrabeth over copulating dogs" was a delightful piece of heresy. Now we only need a third person arguing that such laws may be an invention but a necessary one to ensure that society works properly, and we´ll have the whole Eternal Issue on a nutshell. And your Sun and Moon were there from the beginning. Why am I not surprised? :P

With all this scientification, however, you made me very, very curious about your take on the reembodiment process. Would there be a chance of making Glorfindel talk? I can´t believe he has managed to keep quiet when there are surely so many people around him who would kill to know what goes on after death.

As for the characters, it´s nice to see how Sámaril´s relationship with the mortal women deepens. Being former Faithful of Númenor, it´s really magnanimous of them not to blame him for being "taken in" by Sauron, though there are things they don´t know yet. The detail of Isilmë being reminded of Sauron when she saw Sámaril sacrificing the horse was superb. But thanks, oh thanks for making the sacrifices be there before Sauron´s arrival! I can´t imagine a human society who would be told what to worship by another society, reject them, and just sit and wait for hundreds of years until someone else tells them what to worship next. To have been accepting influences from other, neighbouring societies all the while, by slowly asimilating their elements into their system and investing them with a sense of belonging, is, in my opinion, more like it. Númenor, especially late Númenor, is just not a place where mere aculturation would work. (But once again we are dealing with Tolkien´s phobias, sigh.)

I will definitely check the story of the tomatoes when I´m done with this! But FYI, I still think my WIP is more neverending than yours. I started it in 2007 and I still haven´t finished the first half! (It spans four reigns, and King #2 is still very much alive).

<i>And your Sun and Moon were there from the beginning. Why am I not surprised? :P</i>

Heh.  Yes, indeed.  When I first read Tolkien's "Myths Transformed,"  I was ridiculously thrilled.  I loved his revised cosmogony, and am convinced he could have made it work within the framework of his legendarium.  Needless to say, I ran with it.

On re-embodiment, I expect it's a very disconcerting process for the elf in question.  As to its specifics?  Well, the Valar are demiurges, making Dwarves and Ents and such, so I expect they have some extraordinary "scientificitious" process they use to re-create an elven body with the assistance of the incorporeal elf's neuropsychological "imprint."  Surgical Steel recently had Laurefin speak to this a bit in <i>Charcoal</i> (see my "thanks for my birthday greetings and gifts" LJ entry; the link is there), and I anticipate he'll have more to say about it, at least what he remembers.

True, Isilmë and Elerína are pretty magnanimous toward Sám, but then they've formed a positive relationship with him before they learn much about his involvement with Sauron.  Part of that is a nod to Tolkien's remarks in Letter 153: "I should regard [the Eregion Elves] as no more wicked or foolish (but in much the same peril) as Catholics engaged in certain kinds of physical research (e.g. those producing, if only as by-products, poisonous gases and explosives): things not necessarily evil, but which, things being as they are, and the nature and motives of the economic masters who provide all the means for their work being as they are, are pretty certain to serve evil ends."  Plus, as you read on (and already have), Isilmë allows as how there may be merit to some of Sauron's inventions.

Tolkien's writings of Númenor in Unfinished Tales implied that the Númenóreans were well on their way toward becoming a culture that Sauron could exploit.  Your culture-building in your 'verse to that end is fantastic, i.e., the whole Melkor cult that is in place.  In the Pandë!verse, Númenor is handed to Sauron on a platter.  I'd venture to say that the same is true in the Gadira!verse, too.

Thanks so much for reading and for the very thoughtful comments!

Hm. What´s it with this Melamiré? From previous hints I was wondering if she was Celebrimbor´s daughter, and now it seems as if Sauron had some not-quite-Gorthaurish interest in her. Interesting... I guess I will know more in the future.

A wonderful idea, to weave the Ramayana epic into Tolkien´s universe. You are quite interested in India, aren´t you? So many of your characters seem to have been there or read about it. I´m not used to thinking of such distances in Tolkien´s world, but it works. After all, Númenóreans were great sailors, and Phoenicians were said to have circunnavigated Africa.

The look inside the palantíri (yay! A Fëanor cameo!) and the Mirror of Galadriel were quite as fascinating as that of the Rings in The Apprentice. I agree it wasn´t supposed to be magic; for Tolkien, it was just "what Elves did", and I guess that means they must have had the technological knowledge of how to tweak the natural elements to achieve such results. (I guess it´s a matter of what was the lesser of the two evils, science or magic!)

Argh. And you put in a female troll. With a baby. And Tolkien who thought that ugly species couldn´t have females... :)

Ooooh, thanks for these juicy reviews!  I do appreciate them immensely.

"From previous hints I was wondering if she was Celebrimbor´s daughter"

Not his daughter, but related to him.  I don't know if you've read Trinity.  That "modern times" fic was pretty much the genesis (or rather the rationale) of her existence.  I just have been building (and building and building) on it from there.  I'm certain you'll puzzle it out as you keep reading.

A very close friend of mine hails from South India.  She's also fond of Tolkien (maybe not to the crazy extent I am though :^D).  So learning tidbits from her about the Ramayana and the Mahabharata certainly has influenced me.   The East of Middle-earth represents vast unexplored regions so it was irresistible to visit a mythical equivalent to India.  I'm very tempted to follow the Blue Wizards there (as Tolkien depicted them in The Peoples of Middle-earth).  Just as your Númenóreans recall Phoenicians, I always have in mind the Spaniards, Portuguese and the Dutch from the Great Age of Sailing, mixed liberally with ancient Graeco-Romans.

Oh, yes, female trolls with babies!  Also female orcs with babies although that is in an uncovered draft stage.  Oshun, Gandalf's Apprentice and I met at the American Museum of Natural History a few years ago and took in the exhibit of human evolution.  We three were nattering about Tolkienism while there, and I found inspiration for the origins of the Pandë!verse trolls and orcs through Gigantopithecus and Homo erectus, respectively. :^)

Wonderful chapter! I love how you've described the sea and the river, with the flora and fauna. The descriptions remind me of the cruise from Crete to Santorini back then when hubby and I visited Crete for the first time. The bay and the marketplace -- even the smell of the fish! Everything so vivid and full of colors, scents, sounds! *claps hands*

Loved the backdrop of politics and conflicts too. That talk between Elerina and Sigilros might have turned quite heated had Samaril kept himself from interrupting.

Poor Istyar (though I had to giggle at his 'didactic' and overwhelming excursion around the villa. I thought he'd be scared to open his chest fearing he might find Isildur there. But then again, no wonder he was as stressed and his predicament proved disastrous to the long awaited intimacy with Elerina. In a way, there were the three of them in the bed, not just two.

Loving this story more with each chapter. Thank you so much for the update!

Binka, thanks so much!  I'm thrilled that the descriptions worked so well for you and evoked your memory of the cruise.  [I love your photos from Crete!] 

"In a way, there were the three of them in the bed, not just two."

Exactly!  Poor guy.  But never fear!  Elerína figures out how to correct the problem. Stay tuned. :^)

Thanks again!

Quote: To me, that passage rings with modernisms: the ships, the towers (skyscrapers? I think Louis Sullivan might beg to differ that beauty was left behind when high towers were built) and darts like thunder (sounds like ballistics of some sort to me). So Sauron apparently incited the birth of the military-industrial complex.

There was a time when Tolkien toyed with the idea of "modern tech villains". This so reminds me of the description of Orcs/goblins in "The Hobbit": "They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones. (...) It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people  at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help; but in those days and those wild parts they had not advanced (as it is called) so far." I´m sure the Professor never had to wash his own clothes or do the dishes, or he would have had a better opinion about those evil engines that substitute manual work.

So this is your take on euthanasia Númenorean death. You left me wishing to know more, how do you understand the idea of mentally "triggering" the physical processes that cause death? Is there a rational explanation? And the moon cult... hm, is that paganism? I wonder how much did the other members of Isilmë´s family like that. Or maybe I´m too influenced by my own universe...

Well, now I´m eager to see how the next developments will affect Sámaril´s life, since Isildur will die, and our Elf is undergoing a shock therapy to accept the idea of remarriage. And Mélamirë... so she´s the... daughter? of Caranthir? It seems like you´re trying to make the reader guess, LOL. It worked: I´m curious. And now it turns out that she could be alive? Interesting!


Full disclosure:  I squee'd when I read your comments.  Many, many thanks!

"I´m sure the Professor never had to wash his own clothes or do the dishes, or he would have had a better opinion about those evil engines that substitute manual work."

As the saying goes, you're preaching to the choir here. :^)  I could go on and on about JRRT's contradictions regarding his scathing remarks on technology and those who create and wield it.   Several things came together to inspire me to take up fan fiction: one was reading American Prometheus (a wonderful biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer) and The Silmarillion almost back-to back and the other was (right after those two incongruous books) Dawn's Another Man's Cage.  Tolkien's "punishment" of his most skilled scientists and technologists (the Noldor as a whole, Fëanor, Sauron, Saruman, Eöl, Celebrimbor) really bugged me.  And thus... my attempts at fan fiction, which is much more fun (for me) than writing critical essays.

On Númenóren death...in the Pandë!verse, the Elves have much greater conscious control over their physiology than their mortal kindred, and embodied Maiar even more so.  Thus, the Númenóreans of the line of Elros with their elvish and Maiarin genes, can give up their life by triggering physiological events that result in a complete shut down of major organs.  Perhaps stopping their own hearts? Or triggering programmed cell death in a vital area of the brain?  It's an interesting question!

The moon cult is a form of paganism perhaps, but it's a women's cult.  Something of their own in a very patriarchal culture.  There's a bit more about it in Moon of the Sea, an unfinished series of vignettes about Isilmë.  

Yes, I am making the reader guess! I'm sooooo mean! :^D  I'm always hoping that readers will like Mélamírë in her own right rather than slap the readers in the face with her loaded lineage.  You're close though.  She's the granddaughter of Caranthir.

Thanks again for having a go. :^)

Aha! Phoenicians, Phoenicians! Everybody loves Phoenicians! :P

To me Umbar was always quite obvious Carthage, too, because of the two rulers, the African-like hinterland (with elephants, LOL) and the feud with Gondor/Rome. Coupled with the discovery that "Pelargir", in Elvish, had a similar meaning to Gadir (thus giving equivalents to the two main Tyrian colonies, both the Roman-friendly and the Roman-unfriendly one), the infamous Melkor sacrifices, my studies on Phoenicians in the Atlantis construction, the Ezekiel and Isaiah prophecies on the sinking of Tyre (which Plato didn´t read but you can bet Tolkien did), the nineteenth century British infatuation with Phoenicia and certain erm, quirks of Adunaic, it just became too much. Though I do admit there is a lot of other influences, and use quite a few more, nobody should ignore that one. I´m very glad that you´re of the same mind, and love what you (and Steel) have done with Umbar. The background for its foundation that you have created is very interesting (do I take it right that your Umbar is ruled by women? And that it was independent even before Númenor fell?) and the premise that its loyalties were quite more complex than what Tolkien would lead us to believe, fascinating. And the part about Isildur´s "other children" and the legitimacy issues and intrigues it triggers is definitely up my street!

Now I wonder more and more if Elerina ever had a happy marriage, though. When Isildur wasn´t at war or on a trip he was siring other children, it seems, and now she must look bad and take abuse because of it. Humpf. She deserves a bit of happiness with Sámaril. I wish she´d just spit on everyone and stay in Rivendell with him! Only that wouldn´t be fair to Valandil, who has no choice.

On another subject, I was very amused at the sudden turn of the relationship with the Silvan girl. Such a turncloak. LOL. And yet both were gracious enough about it. I can imagine Sámaril would wish that all relationships could end that way, without attached strings. His musings about Aulendil prove that in a quite heartwrenching way. Somehow, I find the image of a weaving spider quite fitting in connection to him -almost like a statement in itself.

"To me Umbar was always quite obvious Carthage, too..."

And you've done a fantastic job with your own sub-creation with the powerful Phoenician overlays upon Númenor. I love it!  Your expertise in the classics really comes through.  Tolkien borrowed a lot from our primary world's history and ancient mythologies so why shouldn't we run with that?  Which reminds me, that is partly why I snuck in the women's moon-cult.  The first mythology to which I was exposed was Graeco-Roman, and the moon is feminine there.  So Tolkien's "Tilion" always struck me as strange and foreign.  Rana worship is my critique of that.  Probably not dissimilar to your nod to Ishtar, a name (or related -- Istar) that Tolkien himself used in his early drafts of the Númenor legend.  I thought that was a fascinating tidbit.

Have a look at Steel's Second Age fics.  In fact, she proposes that Umbar was founded by the two canonical but unnamed daughters of Tar-Anárion, Tar-Ancalimë's son.  Steel posits they left Númenor for Umbar to escape their overbearing grandmother.  As a consequence, women were often selected as part of the duumvirate and the council of oligarchs.  Steel's premise is that Umbar was independent prior to the fall of Númenor.

In my 'verse, Isildur's wife grew to love her husband, but it was a marriage complicated by duty and the constant knowledge of "the other woman's" existence.  By turn, Zamîn (Steel's creation) regards Elerína as "the other woman."  Each has her perspective.  

Oh, my Tawarwaith are flighty creatures, definitely more "fey" than those Elves of Noldorin extraction.

Yes, Aulendil weaves webs to capture even the savvy, but in certain ways (in my 'verse), he is like Alberich in Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen: his betrayal comes at great cost to himself as well as to others.

Thanks so much for your forbearance in reading this WIP and for the lovely reviews!

I don´t have much time right now, but I just needed to chime in to tell you how much I´m enjoying your detailed take on Dwarvish society. Their customs, their history, their medical mishaps and the reasons for women having beards all sound very realistic. And the sauna! :P Though I must say that rolling on the snow seems a bit more.... extreme than just bathing in cold water. But of course, Dwarves are real men! (And their phalluses are bigger, of course, LOL!)

The guest appearance of the Balrog is also very intriguing. So he hid there because he was afraid of the Host of the Valar? Makes sense, but now I´m curious about that brother question. Maybe some part of Sauron was really latched on to Sámaril, and other Maiar can feel it? Hm.

Thanks so much, Raksha!  The next chapter has been crystallizing in my imagination so I expect to put it into a Word file soon, and in that, yes, they will get past it.

I'm glad Gaillond worked for you!  It's pretty self-indulgent on my part.  There's certainly a "Mediterranean" influence of some sort on Númenor.  Gadira (whose academic  background is classicism) picked up on the Phoenician elements that Tolkien used and has run with those in her 'verse.  Quite effectively I may add. So my Graeco-Roman element may be less canonical, but when has that ever stopped me? :^D

Thanks again!

You did it! They are together! A very bold move -though I must admit I need to read a few more chapters before deciding if it´s going to work for me or not. I expected the Elves, at least the Rivendell Elves, to be easygoing about it, given that they are close to Sámaril and used to the company of the Silvan Elves *cough*. But to be honest I expect the reaction of Men to be much, much, much stronger, to the point of being almost unable to see a way beyond it. She´s the High King´s widow, and in the kind of societies that spring to my mind she could end imprisoned or dead -and her son having to choose between losing her or his throne. And with them having so many political enemies already... On the other hand this has made me very curious and expectant about what´s going to happen next. I love that kind of conflict. If it was my story, I would probably end it by having her sacrifice herself (I mean, leaving Sámaril for the good of the family line and to let her son keep the crown), but I´m too influenced by both Japanese drama and the old Silmfics bunch, who wrote angstier stories than the present one. Your stories are more about the joy of living and finding individual fulfillment in spite of all odds, so I do not expect anything of the kind.

The sex scenes were absolutely adorable and believable, and you managed to convey the loveliness of a mature woman very well. She´s experienced and strong -and at the same time, she´s such a frail and ephemereal thing, as she´s going to die soon and there´s nothing that can be done to prevent it. The snowflakes were a wonderful, wonderful image, the equivalent to the spider in the previous chapters. You have a way of summing up entire points with a metaphor. Now, I´d like to see if either Elerína or Sámaril really understand what it means to be a mortal/immortal couple. So far, only Elrond seems to be fully aware of everything this will entail.

So.  Is it working for you? ;^)  If there's one thing, I'm pedantic about, it's the common humanity of mortal Men and the Firstborn.  If Tolkien is going to state that they are biologically the same race (and he did), then that has all sorts of implications from cultural to biological.  

"But to be honest I expect the reaction of Men to be much, much, much stronger, to the point of being almost unable to see a way beyond it. She´s the High King´s widow, and in the kind of societies that spring to my mind she could end imprisoned or dead -and her son having to choose between losing her or his throne."

I'm going to push back a bit here in the spirit of semi-scholarly debate (hey, I'm a scientist -- we always "kick the tires," i.e., challenge, another's thesis and expect our own theses to be challenged in turn).  From the kind of societies that spring to your mind (presumably from our primary world), yes, perhaps Men's responses would be more draconian.  But remember: this is an *imaginary* history.  I'm not trying to faithfully mirror Ancient History nor Medieval History nor Renaissance History nor...well, mine is a crazy quilt of historical influences as might be expected from an amateur.  

My tertiary world of Tolkien's secondary world is not exactly like that of our primary one although there are similar traditions.  In JRRT's legendarium, the Faithful Númenóreans, *revered* the Elves.  Also, as Tolkien stated, Elves, especially the Noldor and their descendants, enjoyed a high caste status in Middle-earth, one that they would give up upon returning to Aman.  So lack of sanctioned marriage notwithstanding (that lack being most notable in the eyes of the Eldar), Elerína's position may be looked upon as being favored by one of the Firstborn.  Plus, Elrond (the eldest of the race as Aragorn called him) has given their union his reluctant blessing.  His attitude thus would be expected to carry weight with the Dúnedain who respect him, even if they might disagree with him.   Keep in mind, too, that Elerína is not a queen regent, but rather a dowager queen.  She's already produced the male heir to the throne, and Elrond has blessed Valandil's succession to the throne; Valandil is also under Elrond's protection.  Anyway, Elerína has done her broodmare bit.  And if I must resort to primary world examples, there were dowager queens in the English monarchy who remarried, even having children with their second husbands.   The notorious dowager queen Isabella even lived openly with her lover.  But, er, well, Roger Mortimer came to a bad end did come to a bad end, but Isabella of France lived on with her son Edward III on the throne of England.  At any rate, between Men's reverence of the Elves in JRRT's legendarium and the primary world examples, I'm not quite seeing that Elerína and Sámaril's union in and of itself poses a particular threat to the throne.    

And I've read quite a bit of the angstier stuff written by the old Silmfics bunch.  Hence, I decided it was time for a change and thus sought a bit more balance from the perspective of a humane humanist. :^)  Elerína and Sámaril went into this with their eyes wide open, and they are well aware they will be parted forever upon her death.  But just how hard this will hit Sámaril, well, Elrond is in a position to understand that better than most.  Interestingly, Tolkien wrote that prior to exposure to the Valar and knowledge of Aman, the Elves believed their deaths were much like that of mortal Men, i.e., no possibility of reincarnation.  So when one of their kin died, they believed the parting was "forever."  So with acknowledgement of that, Sámaril has no idea if his wife will ever return to the living. (I'm not one who buys into the irrevocable/unbreakable bond between Elven couples that Tolkien put forth in LaCE.  Things are more uncertain in the Pandë!verse.)

Thanks so much, Gadira, for the expansive -- and provocative -- review! :^) 

And finally! Nice city you have invented here. Don´t worry for the Latin words; a stronger "localization" effect is produced by your description of the villa than by the words themselves, and that´s not a bad thing. But all those reminders of Isildur... it almost seemed they were there on purpose, LOL! That Sámaril lost his "abilities" is delightfully realistic. The only problem is that now it´s Carnival around here, and the oyster reference feels like it suddenly jumped onscreen, LOL.

Before that, in general, I loved the trip through Eriador with all the little details. So the Butterbur inn had existed for 3,000 years? A bit daunting to contemplate. The cult of the River-daughter was fascinating. I wonder what you make of her, and Tom Bombadil.

As for the rest, the Sámaril character is growing more and more on me. It was so funny to contemplate an ancient Elf who had never been anywhere. And this conversation with Apairivo killed me:

(quote): "Let´s say that quite a number of your folk whom I met in Lindon were arrogant and even contemptuous of Men."

"I am not like that. I have known the hearts and minds of mortals more thoroughly than you can comprehend."

LOL, and he does it again!

 

Thanks so much, Gadira!   Sám isn't all that well-traveled.  I think his curiosity is more often piqued by his deep delving in pursuit of his arcane knowledge (which we might say is at the level of things molecular).  Thus he may not have given much thought to the rest of the Wide World.

"So the Butterbur inn had existed for 3,000 years?"

At least its *foundations* have.  Probably (definitely) not much of the original inn itself.  Then again, JRRT's chronology sometimes strikes me as excessive in terms of the passage of millennia.  

So, I FINALLY managed to find the time to read this latest update, and it definitely did not disappoint!  I like the way you refuse to have Samaril stereotypically fall under the influence of the Sea-longing here, and I adore the politicking.  Not to mention all the tasty seafood!

Oh, how great to see "The Elendilmir" updated! I loved so many things about this new chapter that I'm not sure where to start, but I'll try.

Poor Samaril, "the decoration", bored to death during those meetings. (I'd be bored too, lol, I guess.) Now, he's going to go on a whale hunt -- I immediately thought about Ahab and his obsession, but also about London's sea tales I loved reading when I was a kid. Perhaps, it's the best choice, to run away from that house where everything *is* Isildur. I wonder what Elerina will say. Is she going to think that he wants to run away from her and their bedroom problems? Or maybe she'll agree seeing that it may be a mad idea, but Samaril wants to explore the sea.

Loved the scene on the market, too. Reminds me of Crete :)

Thank you so, so, so very much! Greatly done :D

Thank you so much, Binka!  Yes, it took me ages to write an update.  This chapter has been lingering on my hard drive for months because I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do with it.  But then things crystallized, and scenes for the next two chapters also coalesced.  Sámaril might just be running away from his problems again, much like he did when he took off for the Dwarven mansions, although he justified his time there, just as he will justify his voyage on The Sea Hawk.  Stay tuned!

Very glad that you enjoyed this!

Loved it, Pandë, the 'immediate' richness and busyness of Gaillond, Sámaril's dreams, and problems with Elerina, the way Duin immediately becomes such a vivid character, and setting up the chapter for Sámaril's venture, which is bound to be incredible.

 

Love your mention of Mélamírë, and her love of haggling!

Thanks so much, Siân!  Duin looks to be another scene-stealer.  I have been reading Melville's Moby Dick and planning a field trip to the New Bedford whaling museum in anticipation of the next chapter!

In a rough draft not yet revealed, Mélamírë drags her family to Tharbad to sell her smithing wares at its large market.  Haggling is a form of recreation for her. :^D

Author's Response:

Thanks so much, Siân!  Duin looks to be another scene-stealer.  I have been reading Melville's Moby Dick and planning a field trip to the New Bedford whaling museum in anticipation of the next chapter!

In a rough draft not yet revealed, Mélamírë drags her family to Tharbad to sell her smithing wares at its large market.  Haggling is a form of recreation for her. :^D

Oh, hello, chapter 38.

 

I suppose it’s time to begin again at the beginning.  I’m looking forward to re-reading with older eyes (not wiser) and then reading that which is new to me.